Regular Meeting

BOARD OF ALDERMEN

CITY OF PARKVILLE, MISSOURI

November 16, 2004

 

 

CALL TO ORDER

 

Mayor Kathryn A. Dusenbery called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. in the Administrative Conference Area.

 

ROLL CALL

 

Ward 1 Alderman Jack Friedman -Present

Ward 1 Alderman Charlie Poole -Present

Ward 2 Alderman David McCoy -Present

Ward 2 Alderman David Rittman -Present

Ward 3 Alderman Marvin Ferguson -Present

Ward 3 Alderman Linda Arnold     -Present (Left ill at 7:10 p.m.)

Ward 4 Alderman Marc Sportsman -Present

Ward 4 Alderman Brian Atkinson                                   -Present 

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS

PERSONNEL MATTERS UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF RSMO 610.021 (3); ALDERMAN

ARNOLD SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED. 

 

Discussion ensued.

 

ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN MOVED TO RETURN TO OPEN SESSION IN THE BOARDROOM; ALDERMAN ARNOLD SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED 8-0.

 

The meeting was returned to open session in the Board Room at 7:02 p.m. with attendance as noted above and below.

 

ALSO PRESENT:   City Administrator Joe Turner

                                                            Police Lt. John Moyer

                                                            Public Works Director Jeff Rupp

                                                            Community Development Director Sean Ackerson arrived at 7:18 p.m.

                                                            Boy Scout Mike Kegin, Troup 394

                                                            Paul Wrablica, BMW Towers, LLC

                                                            Bruce Culley, Auditor

                                                            Anna Jaffe and Mike Horine, Curious Eye Productions

                                                            Assistant City Clerk Claudia Willhite

                                                            Tony Borchers, The National

                                                            Tom Hutsler, Main Street Association

                                                            Jim McCall, Papa Frank’s

 

                                                           

MEDIA PRESENT:   Joe Gleason for Channel 2

                                                            Nancy Jack for The Luminary

Marte Zirschky for Platte Dispatch  

                                                            Bill O’Malley for Platte Landmark

Mayor Dusenbery stated there were two announcements resulting from the Executive Session prior to this board meeting.  Those are:

 

A MOTION PASSED TO PLACE JOHN CONRAD AS OF JANUARY 1, 2005 AS PARKS SUPERINTENDENT AT A LEVEL 14 SALARY RANGE OF $34,558 TO $40,658, WITH $34,558 TO BE HIS 2005 SET SALARY.

THE MOTION PASSED WHEN THE MAYOR’S AYE VOTE BROKE THE ALDERMENS’ 4-4 TIE VOTE OF AYES: SPORTSMAN, FRIEDMAN, RITTMAN AND McCOY; NAYS: ATKINSON, POOLE, ARNOLD, AND FERGUSON.

 

A MOTION PASSED TO RAISE CITY ADMINISTRATOR JOE TURNER’S 2005 SALARY INCREASE FROM A 2% TO A 3% INCREASE PLACING MR. TURNER’S 2005 SALARY AT $75,190.

THE MOTION FOR MR. TURNER’S INCREASE PASSED 8-0.  AYES:  ALDERMEN ATKINSON, ARNOLD, McCOY, FRIEDMAN, SPORTSMAN, POOLE, FERGUSON AND RITTMAN.

 

BOY SCOUTS

 

Mike Kegin, a Parkville Boy Scout from Troup 314, introduced himself and reported that he was attending to meet his communications badge requirements.

 

REVIEW OF MINUTES

 

ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 2, 2004 BOARD OF ALDERMEN MEETING AS PUBLISHED; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED 8-0.

CITIZEN INPUT

 

BMW Towers, LLC (Paul Wrablica) re billboard at I-435 & River Road

 

Mr. Paul Wrablica, a partner with BMW Towers, LLC., addressed the board seeking clarification regarding Parkville’s billboard regulations.  He explained that his company owns approximately 3 acres at the NE corner of I-435 and FF Highway where they would like to place a billboard.  Community Development Director Sean Ackerson directed the board to the related policy report in the packets that highlighted why the site does not meet the minimum requirements for billboards, including zoning and setbacks.  

 

Discussion ensued regarding the intent of the regulations and the Board of Aldermen’s wishes to support and adhere to the regulations as they are written.  Alderman Rittman noted that he has recently seen the aesthetic impact gained from the absence of billboards in the state of Maine where all billboards are banned.  Mayor Dusenbery concurred that we want to do all we can to keep the gateways to Parkville attractive and inviting.  The Board of Aldermen all agreed that they remained fully supportive of backing the existing ordinance regarding billboards.   

 

Mr. Wrablica said he got the answers he was seeking and thanked the board for their time.

 

MAYOR’S REPORT

 

Public Hearing on Proposed Sewer Rate Increase

 

ALDERMAN MCCOY MOVED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED SEWER RATE INCREASE; ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED 8-0.

 

Alderman McCoy reported that the Finance Committee has discussed this increase and recommends it.  The rate is based on a formula we are required to follow by the state of Missouri.  Alderman Poole pointed out that we went many years without an increase and this follows up on recommendations from an in-depth study.   Any excess funds will be directed to a restricted account from which only the board can authorize spending.

 

As there was no public comment, questions or other discussion, the mayor entertained a motion to close the public hearing.

 

ALDERMAN ATKINSON MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED SEWER RATE INCREASE; ALDERMAN ARNOLD SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED 8-0.

 

Note:  Alderman Arnold was not feeling well and left the meeting at approximately 7:10 p.m.

 

Bill to Authorize Agreement with SKW for ELP West Design Plan

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL C/A 124, AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT WITH SHAFER, KLINE AND WARREN INC. TO CREATE A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN PLAN FOR ENGLISH LANDING PARK WEST, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL C/A 124 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL C/A 124 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE C/A 124; ALDERMAN SPORTSMANSECONDED; ALL AYE BY ROLL CALL VOTE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

 

AYES:  ALDERMEN SPORTSMAN, FERGUSON, RITTMAN, POOLE, FRIEDMAN, MCCOY, ATKINSON

 

Bill C/A 124 was posted on 11/12/04.

 

CITY ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT

 

Approval of 2003 Audit

 

Auditor Bruce Culley reviewed the 2003 Financial Statement Audit which he submitted to the City of Parkville on October 25, 2004.  A table of contents for that report and recommendations made by Mr. Culley for strengthening internal controls are attached to these minutes.   Brief discussion followed.

 

Alderman McCoy asked the City Administrator if he was in full agreement with each of the recommendations included in this audit and Mr. Turner answered yes and that he did plan to oversee implementation of those recommendations for improvement.  Since a few of the recommendations related to the Municipal Court process, and the position of Municipal Judge reports directly to the Mayor, Mayor Dusenbery directed the City Administrator and the Judge to work together to facilitate these goals.  Alderman McCoy asked the Clerk to let this record show that the City of Parkville fully intends to implement each of the recommendations resulting from this independent audit.

 

ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN MOVED TO ACCEPT THE 2003 FINANCIAL AUDIT SUBMITTED BY CPA BRUCE CULLEY AS PUBLISHED, ALDERMAN McCOY SECONDED; ALL AYE, MOTION PASSED 7-0.


 

Bill Approving Salary Increase for John Conrad (tabled from 11/02/04)

 

ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN MOVED THAT THE BILL APPROVING A SALARY INCREASE FOR JOHN CONRAD BE REMOVED FROM THE TABLE; ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE, MOTION PASSED.

 

ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN THEN MOVED TO WITHDRAW THIS ORDINANCE BASED ON THE ACTION TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION PRECEEDING THIS BOARD MEEETING REGARDING JOHN CONRAD’S POSITION AND SALARY. 

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON SECONDED ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN’S MOTION TO WITHDRAW; ALL AYE, MOTION PASSED.

 

Bill for Approval of 2005 Salaries

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2180, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE SALARIES FOR THE CITY OF PARKVILLE, MISSOURI, FOR THE PERIOD FROM JANUARY 1, 2005 THROUGH DECEMBER 31, 2005, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY WITH THE FOLLOWING TWO AMENDMENTS: (1) PARKS SUPERINTENDENT JOHN CONRAD IS INCREASED TO A LEVEL 14 SALARY RANGE OF $34,558 TO $40,658, WITH $34,558 TO BE HIS 2005 SALARY; AND (2) CITY ADMINISTRATOR JOE TURNER’S 2005 SALARY INCREASE IS RAISED FROM 2% TO 3% BASED ON PERFORMANCE, MAKING HIS 2005 SALARY $75,190, ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN SECONDED;  ALL AYE;  MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL2180 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN McCOY SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2180 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE 2161; ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN SECONDED; MOTION FAILED BY ROLL CALL VOTE 4-3.

 

AYES:  ALDERMEN FRIEDMAN, McCOY, SPORTSMAN, RITTMAN

NAYS:  ALDERMEN ATKINSON, POOLE, FERGUSON

 

Note:  An ordinance requires a minimum of 5 AYE votes to pass.

               

Bill for Approval of 2005 Sewer Rate Increase

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2181, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 2072, SETTING THE SEWER BASE CHARE AND SEWER USE CHARGE FOR CUSTOMERS OF THE SEWER SYSTEM OF PARKVILLE, MISSOURI, ANDTO REVISE CERTAIN RELATED DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN SECTIONS 3 AND 4 OF ARTICLE III, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2181 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN McCOY SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2181 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE 2161; ALDERMAN McCOY SECONDED; ALL AYE BY ROLL CALL VOTE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

 

AYES:  ALDERMEN SPORTSMAN, FERGUSON, RITTMAN, POOLE, FRIEDMAN, McCOY, AND ATKINSON

 

Bill 2181 was posted on 11/12/04.

 

Bill for Approval of 2005 General Fund Budget

 

Due to failure to pass the bill for approval of 2005 salaries, the bill for approval of 2005 general fund budget was postponed until the December 7th board meeting.

 

Bill for Approval of Sewer Fund Budget

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2182, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE SEWER FUND BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF PARKVILLE, MISSOURI FOR THE PERIOD FROM JANUARY 1, 2005 THROUGH DECEMBER 31, 2005, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN RITTMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2182 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN McCOY SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2182 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE  2162; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE BY ROLL CALL VOTE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

 

AYES:  ALDERMEN SPORTSMAN, FRIEDMAN, POOLE, FERGUSON, ATKINSON, McCOY AND FRIEDMAN

 

Bill 2182 was posted on 11/12/04.

 

Mr. Turner reminded everyone of the brief November 18th special SRF meeting at 6:30 p.m.

 

COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

 

Request for sign approval for The Great Frame Up and for H & R Block

 

Following brief discussion of the two sign requests submitted, it was agreed to vote on these together.

 

ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN MOVED TO APPROVE THE SIGN PERMITS REQUESTED FOR THE GREAT FRAME UP AND FOR H & R BLOCK, WITH THE ILLUMINATION PERIOD TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 5 AM TO MIDNIGHT; ALDERMAN McCOY SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

 

Community Director Sean Ackerson reported to the board that a previously approved sign permit request for dental offices has been found to conflict with covenant restrictions of The National and is in the process of being revised.

 

Request for approval of use change in OTD Papa Frank’s Bldg. (tabled from 11/02/04)

 

Jim McCall, owner of Papa Frank’s building, was available to answer any questions the board may have regarding this request.  He assured the board that he is willing to follow necessary actions to make the parking lot safer and accommodate any fire department recommendations. 

 

ALDERMAN RITTMAN MOVED TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSED USE CHANGE IN OTD PAPA FRANK’S BUILDING, ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION PASSED 7-0.

 

AYES:  ALDERMEN FRIEDMAN, RITTMAN, POOLE, SPORTSMAN, ATKINSON, FERGUSON AND McCOY.

 

Request approval for use change and exterior modifications in OTD – Ambiance, 7 Main St.

 

Bonnie Decker, the new owner of this building at 7 Main Street was not present.  Mr. Ackerson directed the board to the policy report in the packets explaining this request to change the use from law offices to specialty retail and exterior modifications.  The Planning Commission found the modifications to be consistent with the intent and requirements of the OTD district regulations and they recommended approval by a vote of 8-0.

 

ALDERMAN RITTMAN MOVED TO APPROVE THE USE CHANGE AND EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS AT THIS OTD LOCATION, AMBIANCE, AT 7 MAIN STREET; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION PASSED 7-0.

 

Mr. Ackerson did note that some of these changes were initiated prior to the appropriate approvals being obtained.  He intends to distribute a flyer or some form of communication to remind all OTD property owners of the regulations and procedures designed to govern and preserve the OTD district.

 

Text amendment approval request – CUP procedures

 

Mr. Ackerson explained to the board that this text amendment will serve to clarify the process and language currently used.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2183, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 459 OF TITLE IV OF THE PARKVILLE CITY CODE TO CLARIFY THE PROCEDURE FOR COMMUNITY UNIT PLAN APPROVAL, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2183 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2183 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE  2163; ALDERMAN RITTMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE BY ROLL CALL VOTE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

 

AYES:  ALDERMEN SPORTSMAN, FERGUSON, RITTMAN, POOLE, FRIEDMAN, McCOY, AND ATKINSON

 

Bill 2183 was posted on 11/15/04.

 

Text amendment approval request – Rezoning for annexed properties

 

Mr. Ackerson stated that, as previously discussed, approval of this text amendment will allow for rezoning of annexed property without a public hearing.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2184, AN ORDINANCE REPEALING SECTION 485.010 AND ENACTING A NEW SECTION 485.010 DEALING WITH RE ZONING OF ANNEXED PROPERTY, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2184 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2184 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE 2164; ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE BY ROLL CALL VOTE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

 

AYES:  ALDERMEN SPORTSMAN, FERGUSON, RITTMAN, POOLE, FRIEDMAN, McCOY, AND ATKINSON

 

Bill 2184 was posted on 11/15/04.

 

Text amendment approval request – BZA hearing and notice requirements

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2185, AN ORDINANCE REPEALING SECTION 480.010 AND ENACTING A NEW SECTION 480.010, AND ADDING SECTION 480.015, DEALING WITH THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENTS, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2185 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2185 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE  2165; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE BY ROLL CALL VOTE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

 

AYES:  ALDERMEN SPORTSMAN, FERGUSON, RITTMAN, POOLE, FRIEDMAN, McCOY, AND ATKINSON

 

Bill 2185 was posted on 11/15/04.

 

Mayor Dusenbery announced that she had recently learned of Planning Commission member Gary Smith’s plans to move to a location nearby but outside the Parkville city limits.  She thanked Mr. Smith for his many years of service to the City of Parkville.

PUBLIC WORKS

 

Bill to authorize contract with Insituform for sewer line repairs

 

Public Works Director Jeff Rupp briefly reviewed the history and policy report related to this ordinance.  Alderman Rittman asked if we have all the funds to cover additional expenses if the repairs run into unexpected expenses.  Mr. Rupp said no.  Mayor Dusenbery asked if the city can repay the loan fund.  Mr. Rupp said yes, the sewer fund will repay in those circumstances.  It was agreed that if unexpected problems arise, staff will be trusted to view the tapes and make the call to proceed with the repairs in order to save on time and expenses related to these repairs. 

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL C/A 125, AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING INSITUFORM TO PERFORM REPAIRS TO SEWER LINES IN THE PARKVILLE HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN FRIEDMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL C/A 125 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL C/A 125 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE  C/A 125; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE BY ROLL CALL VOTE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

 

AYES: ALDERMEN ATKINSON, McCOY, RITTMAN, FRIEDMAN, SPORTSMAN, FERGUSON AND POOLE.

 

Bill C/A 125 was posted on  11/12/04.

 

Bill to authorize employment of Daniel Koch as Project Manager

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2186, AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE EMPLOYMENT OF DANIEL P. KOCH AS PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN RITTMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2186 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL 2186 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE  2166; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE BY ROLL CALL VOTE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

 

AYES: ALDERMEN ATKINSON, McCOY, RITTMAN, FRIEDMAN, SPORTSMAN, FERGUSON AND POOLE.

 

Bill 2186 was posted on  11/12/04.

POLICE CHIEF’S REPORT

 

Lt. John Moyer reported that discussion on new police cars will wait until the general budget for 2005 is approved.  No other report at this time.

ACCOUNTS PAYABLE

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL A-754, TO PAY LISTED SALARIES AND ACCOUNTS, BE APPROVED FOR FIRST READING; ALDERMAN POOLE SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL A-754 BE APPROVED ON FIRST READING AND PASSED TO SECOND READING BY TITLE ONLY; ALDERMAN McCOY SECONDED; ALL AYE; MOTION CARRIED.

 

ALDERMAN FERGUSON MOVED THAT BILL A-754 BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING TO BECOME ORDINANCE A-746; ALDERMAN SPORTSMAN SECONDED; ALL AYE BY ROLL CALL VOTE; MOTION CARRIED 7-0.

                                                      

Bill A-754 was posted on 11/12/04.

 

COMMITTEE REPORTS

 

Ad Hoc Ambulance Committee:  The mayor will attend a regional mayors meeting at the end of November.

Chamber of Commerce/Events:  A reminder was given for Christmas on the River activities to be held December 3, 2004 at English Landing Park.